Peggie- I absolutely agree with you! Where is the logic here? Why penalize students for the lack of action by the administration? It really makes you wonder who's running things at that university.

The administration, students, alumni and the community at large fed into the deification of JoePa. This idolatry created a culture that would rather tolerate child rape rather than expose JoePa’s big lie.

Who runs the university you ask? Luckily not the same individuals whose only concern was treating Sandusky “humanely” rather than the countless victims they helped violate. Let’s hope the new administration does better by the next generation of children.

Finally, no student suffers from this reality check. They will learn that actions have consequences all within the concept of a child’s game.

Nothing has been taken away from the students. They still have football games on Saturdays to attend. What has been taken away is the big money maker for the university, the bowl games, and tv payouts. Very few students can afford to attend the bowl games. This is a just decisions. The NCAA had every right to give the death penalty.

I know what you mean Colleen. Those poor kids suffered horribly after being tricked into thinking someone cared about them, only to be raped in the PSU locker room. And now we can't deny that the adults in power at PSU chose to ignore it for their own personal gains. But why should we all have to suffer the consequences too? No Joe Paterno Statue? They took his halo off? No bowl games? Oh my. What reason would there be for all of the current students to get drunk every Saturday? They might as well close the school now.

Well said LC. I love the tone of your comments. These people just don't get it. They don't realize they are part of the problem.

What kids are suffering because the NCAA came down on Penn State because of the cover-up? I don't see kids going to any colleges but do see young Adults. The kids who suffered were the ones that were molested and Joe and his gang didn't think it was important to report this to CYS or the Police to save one child from Sandusky's clutches.

Uncle Helix hit the nail right on the head! God Bless Uncle Helix! He's my hero!

Rush to judgement. What more do you need seriously? The facts are Sandusky molested young boys and Penn State administration including Joe Paterno and the Athletic Director chose to look the other way. The NCAA sanctions were well deserved and necessary. PSU is supposed to be a state school maintained for the purpose of educating students. Football is an extracurricular activity. A privilege, not a right. PSU, like many other universities, have lost sight of that. The football players have options. They are not the victims that deserve our attention right now.

Penn State ordered the Freeh investigation and AGREED with the findings... Go and listen to the speeches of the NCAA president et al from today and maybe it will enlighten you.

LC & Parent#2 you are both correct. The football players and the ones on scholarships are allowed to go to another college if they choose and can play football for them this year. It is a choice that is open to them. What Sandusky, Paterno, administration is all guilty, Sandusky might of did the rape, but not to turn this over to the proper authorities was wrong. But Joe and the administration didn't want the school tainted by a scandal , and they ended up creating a bigger mess. It probably would of been better for them to suspend football for PSU, for a few years, but this hit them harder than that.

James - I agree with evertying you said.

Totally agree!

Agreed and well spoken!

James totally agree.

In what way exactly has the NCAA decision caused "devastation"? Wow.

Boohooohooo there isn't going to be Penn State in the bowl games

Penn State University is guilty of covering up rape of children and they were punished. Your all worried about football, these kids that goes to PSU are there for an education.

You're part of the problem Kathy.

I agree with you, Kathy, 100%!!

Kathy and Dormont Resident - please tell me one football player that are going to suffer any of these conditions because they didn't get to play in Preseason games or bowls?

Depression
Addiction to substances or alcohol
Nightmares of being sexually assaulted
PTSD
Become abusers to others
Borderline Personality Disorder
Emotional Personality Disorder
Unstable Personality Disorder
Helplessness
Loss of Control
Think negative thoughts
Guilt
Shame
Develop Eating Disorders
Identity Issues
Sexual Relationship
Suicide
Poor school grades
Can’t form peer to peer relationships
Untrusting of Adults
Split Personality Disorder

These are some of the symptoms of a child that was molested and have to live the rest of their life with it.

Isabella I don't see where you get that I am a part of the problem. You lady may be a part of it!! I am stating an opinion here. I don't think all of the school needs to suffer because of what the people that were supposed to be the head of it couldn't do what needed to be done. That is all I am saying. So get off of my case missy!!

Kathy what is the school suffering? Penn State is still going to be teaching every day and young adults will be still getting a college education. These students will graduate with degrees that no one can take away from them. That is why people go to college, to get an education.

sorry I am just stating my opinion as everyone else is.

Wow- very well-put.

PSU deserve all wins from 1999-2011 to be vacated and Joe's "winningest coach in college football history," should be taken away from him and I am happy that it was taken away. Joe failed society when he kept his mouth shut and did nothing about children being molested. How would you feel if it was your child that was molested by Sandusky and the "greatest coach in football history," who had an obligation to report it to the police but turned his back on these kids. Just because someone puts on their resume that they played football for PSU under Joe, that won't get them a job, it is their academic records from college that is going to get them jobs. Besides them hitting the field every day, they went to classes, studies, learned, took test and carried grades so that they could play on the football team. Joe failed the football players and PSU, when he should of made a call to the police instead of going to the administration and them covering it up;. PSU got a punishment to fit the crime of their cover up and you can thank the mighty Joe for it.

Kelly I can't agree with you more.

Really, Watergate. Cover ups started way before Watergate.

Cover up started before President Kennedy was shot in Dallas by the CIA

I did say 'In my lifetime.' I'm just not as 'old' as some of you : ).

If that's true, there's something wrong with that. I blame him as much as the others. I don't know how he can live with himself.

My opinion would be the same no matter what school it was. The wrong people are being punished.

Jim agree there, these students have free rides for a college education, which is much more important then playing football. How many other students envy football players that have college paid for.
I would of loved to have seen the NCAA turn around and give all Penn State Football Scholarships to women and students that had no ties to the football team. Give the Underdogs a chance to get a free education for the next 4 years. Just because they can't play preseason games or in bowls over the next 4 years, doesn't mean these poor college kids can't play football and win games. I'm sorry but I don't feel sorry for these football players or the team. I do feel sorry for the children that were molested and have to live with this the rest of their lives.

Parent of 2012 Grad, I agree and I also cringed at the statement that LC made about " “What reason would there be for all of the current students to get drunk every Saturday?”, as these students that are getting drunk on Saturday, most of them are NOT 21 years of age, the legal age to DRINK IN THE UNITED STATES. Not all college students drink either, so why would you even suggest that all college students do.

@Sycophant – You know better than most the atmosphere at Happy Valley. To say that JoePa was not deified on that campus is a complete, bald-faced lie. So much so was the deification that it allowed 14 years to pass before this horrific scandal was finally discovered. During this time, JoePa did nothing while children were raped.

You want evidence of this deification? Read the reports of students who continue to defend JoePa and cried when his statue was taken down. How they engage in moral equivalency by saying, “But he did so much good” having us believe it outweighs his deceit. The students play just as much a part as anyone else in creating the environment that deified a man to the point of blind obedience. That kind of “cult of personality” is dangerous and can lead to tragedies like this one.

You right about one thing. It’s just football. No student’s life is materially impacted by missing out on the TicketCity, Outback or Capital One Bowl.
What they can learn here is a valuable lesson about actions and consequences.

I'm laughing at the Sycophant comment, if it was directed at me, Outraged.

You said the " “The administration, students, alumni and the community at large fed into the deification of JoePa," and then pointed to the Freeh report.

Did the report indicate that the ALL students, ALL alumni and ALl the community defend JoePa? That's what you've indicated in your comments. Be mindful if you're going to sling, names mud and bigotry, Outraged.

But thanks for the laugh.

@Sycophant – You dance a wonderful jig. You must descend from carnival or vaudeville folk. I can only imagine the “spoon playing” that goes on at your family reunions.

You’re either unwilling to see or admit the deification of JoePa at PSU played a huge role in this tragedy. The reports I mentioned are news stories, not the Freeh Report. There have been countless stories of people crying, so stricken by grief because the statue of JoePa was taken down. Too many times these people have told us, “You just don’t understand, you didn’t go to Penn State.” These people tell us, “My life was shaped by Joe Paterno. He was a father figure to us all.” They go on with, “I’m not condoning what happened. Joe had a lapse in judgment. But that shouldn’t erase all he has done.”

I will agree with you the harshest of the punishments belong to those officials who actively covered up these events. But I ask you this, what gave Joe Paterno the power to tell school officials to cancel their plans to notify the authorities and treat Sandusky humanely?

That’s right, because he was JoePa.

And why was he “JoePa”? Because everyone around him – students included – thought he walked on water and could do no wrong.

@Outraged. Why so angry? Why the name calling? Why the hatred? Part of me laughs, but your initial comments remind me of the sad bullies in elementary school.

Sorry, you disparaged the entire PSU community as supporting JoePa and can't support it with substantiated findings. Sorry, reality doesn't support your contention that everyone at Penn State loved Joe Paterno. Sorry that you point to news stories as unbiased/factual reporting. In fact, I'm just sorry for you.

What you imply with your statements is that all of PSU knew that Sandusky was raping young boys and all of PSU condoned it. Sorry. You're wrong. And until you learn to use the word some, we'll disagree.

No more name calling, now.

@Sycophant – And the dance continues. What is the name of this waltz, that’s right semantics with moral equivalency as its refrain. It’s a lovely tune for those that like to avoid the issues.

I would never presume that all students this . . ., all alumni that . . ., every member of the administration . . . . You know that, but I digress.

That said, it is not an exaggeration to say the vast majority of students, alumni and members of the community overwhelmingly supported JoePa. This deification created an environment conducive for this type of cover up to occur.

When the waltz ends and you can get past playing semantics and moral equivalency let me know.

I'm sorry that you have to continue your childish behavior, Outraged. It's your level of discourse that will never move the conversation forward. Actually, you're sad.

You initially said "The administration, students, alumni and the community at large fed into the deification of JoePa," Remember?

Now you say "I would never presume that all students this . . ., all alumni that . . ., every member of the administration."

Now you say "vast majority." Support for that assertion? Some statistical analysis?

I'll take that as a retraction.

Hope your day gets a little better.

@Sycophant – And here comes the crescendo, meant to drown out the other instruments. The band plays loudly as the dancers sway unaware of what is around them. But the director, he does not relent; he waves his baton feverishly in hopes of keeping dancers enraptured to the point of blind obedience to his melody.

You’re right sycophant; let’s go with your opus. JoePa was not widely loved. He did not have a halo painted above his image. He did not stand idly by while Sandusky’s imagine joined his. He did not have a statue erected in his honor. Some crackpot hasn’t “erected” his own statue after the other one was removed. He does not have an ice cream named after him at the PSU’s creamery. Students didn’t riot outside his home when he was fired. There is not a Joe Paterno Facebook page with almost 200,000 likes or a Support Joe Paterno page with over 16,000 likes. Finally, he didn’t receive a fattened retirement deal the same month he testified before a grand jury.

You’re right sycophant, JoePa was a pariah. It’s a wonder they didn’t run him out of town years ago.

Strike up the band, you’ve written a masterpiece.

Yawn. Still with this music analogy? Why, you missed the repeat, Outraged. //: "I would never presume that ALL students this . . ., ALL alumni that . . ., EVERY member of the administration.":// And the refrain? “I call people names and act immature when I can’t support my wholesale condemnation of student body and community with facts. Waaah, Waaah, Waaah!” Well, that’s not ¾ time, but you get the idea. Now, I'm satisfied. Composition complete.

You alleged vast majority? Keep working on it –let me know when you figure out what the majority is. I initially had more hope for you, but your bigotry is flaring, Outraged.

@Sycophant – Not quite done yet. We’ll all sit back and watch while you dance around the point quibbling about qualifiers.

That’s OK though. I realize it’s the only point you have to give. When bereft of ideas you attack words like “all,” “majority” or “overwhelming.” You seek to invalidate the point by denying universality. I would do the same in your shoes. After all, you’re only protecting your own. What parent wants to believe they let their child go to a place where child rape was acceptable? Only a monster would do something like that.

To the question, why do I call you sycophant? I call you sycophant because you choose to win “on points” rather than admit what we all already know. It is not credible to say JoePa was not hugely popular in Happy Valley. It’s not credible to say JoePa did not hold a tremendous amount of power. It’s not credible to deny this popularity and power did not influence events at PSU. Yet, you dance.

But I see you’ll keep dancing until someone else mentions Joe Paterno. Again, that’s what I’d do in your situation.

I’ll try to be brief by linking sources: JoePA Bio, PSU Students Riot, PSU Students Riot 2, PSU Students Weep, Number of Mourners for JoePa, 16000 Pack BB Arena to Mourn JoePa, Another Report of 27000 Mourners, JoePa Power, JoePa Power 2, and JoePa Power 3.

In the end, "proof" was never really your point. That's OK though, enjoy your dance.

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/paterno_joe00.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjSaK13LdLs

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16056671/psu-students-flood-campus-with-misplaced-paterno-adoration

http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=91002&sitesection=selatimes&VID=23751222

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/joe-paterno-funeral-more-than-6000-sign-up-to-line-route-to-cemetery/2012/01/25/gIQAbsXRQQ_blog.html

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-joe-paterno-cancer,0,4614247.story

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-01-25/sports/30662097_1_funeral-procession-joe-paterno-human-chain

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1267956-joe-paterno-and-penn-state-football-let-the-statue-stand-for-something

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/07/17/joe-paterno-and-the-problems-with-college-footballs-all-powerful-coach-culture/

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1275410323001/did-paterno-have-too-much-power-at-penn-state/

For the links above. Apparently they won’t let you edit to save space.

Delighted. Feel free to call me sycophant. Your usage is incorrect, but if you need to feel better about go ahead and dance by yourself. Or was your tragedy about musical composition. Oh well, both are narratives are frankly pretty pedestrian.

Where do I speak about JoePa? Do tell? What is “my own”? I don’t remember ever stating. Oh, that’s right. It doesn’t matter to you whether you can support your statements with facts. Wholesale indictment never bothers you.

Not impressed with googled and pasted websites. Very average. Enjoy your solo dance though, Outrage.

@Sycophant – You cost me $5, but I enjoyed your post anyway. I was betting you would use “droll,” yet you went with “pedestrian.” That’s OK, I was close.

I will give credit where it’s due. I wasn’t expecting the nod to Billy Idol. I pegged you more of a Journey fan, but something new is learned every day. If you could throw in some Adam Ant in your response, it would literally make my day.

“Your own,” what could that possibly mean to a parent? It is truly a mystery that needs unraveling.

You keep on trucking sycophant. I do admire the steadfast way you defend PSU in light of all that has happened. Hopefully we’ll meet again soon.

LOL. @Parent of 2012 and @Outraged Citizen need to get a room. You can share a thesaurus and continue trying to impress each other in private. Back to the issues.... The sanctions are fair. People might actually empathize with Penn State students & alum if they could muster up a little humility and stop calling themselves victims.

I can only speak from my experience- but I am guessing that the students and alumni at the exceptional and exemplary catholic university that I went to would behave much differently then those that we are seeing sobbing and worshipping PSU in the media right now. Its a different caliber of people and leaders who were/are drenched in moral teachings throughout their entire college education. Our alum would shun the leaders and supporters of these acts and demand that the entire school be cleansed. Again- its all about the culture at these institutions; many here have pointed this out already.

Parent #2

How nice to hear that you still esteem your alma mater. As parents may be starting their college searches, why not share which university so others can benefit? I know I'd be interested.

Parent of 2012 grad- I am sure that in your research you will be able to figure out which Catholic institutions are best for you and your child... If that's what you are looking for. Some of them have excellent top ranked NCAA sports teams as well. Good luck!

The victims are the ones that were molested and raped and PSU did nothing to protect them. Mighty Joe isn't so mighty any more, he is nothing but an embarrassment and wish he was living so those parent who were raped by Sandusky could take every penny he has away from him in lawsuits.

Not only did Catholic Priest molest kids but it was all Religions, go do a search on Methodist, Baptist, Orthodox, Jews,Muslims, it is all religions not just Catholic Priest. pgh resident did you leave your church because they are molesters also.

@pgh resident – Tip ‘o the hat! I didn’t think anyone would go there, but you did. Lynching – that is brilliant!

Who would have thought to link 150 years of civil rights struggles to college football? That right my friend, you did! Being roused in the middle of the night by hooded vandals, having your hands tied behind your back while blindfolded, getting hung from a tree and having your body set on fire is exactly the same as what is happening at PSU. We only needed your brilliance to see the correlation.

Your argument is invalid.

Sorry you did not want to share, Parent #2. I really thought a lot of posters would benefit from your experiences and recommendation.

If kids at PSU are feeling "lynched" then their parents have done a terrible job raising them! I suspect the opposite is true! I bet the vast majority of PSU students will rise above the adversity and use this crisis as motivation to do great things in life. Parents should motivate their kids to rise above the adversity and not encourage them to wallow in pity. Hopefully pgh resident doesn't have a child at PSU. If so, I would bet he/she won't make it to graduation.

pgh resident, they did get their punishment and you all are crying about the poor kids that are going to be hurt by the NCAA. What about what those molested kids feel, I doubt one of them wanted to see this kind of punishment handed down, but it will show other school district, colleges that sexual assaults need to be reported or you pay the consequences for your actions.

@pgh resident – I feel lynched by your attack upon me, my family and my opinion.

Do you now see the ridiculousness of your analogy?

Where does it say that all students that goes to Penn State feel victimized by what Outraged Citizen said and people like her. Since the Mighty Joe was knocked off his platform from the articles that I read, some students care and others say oh well because their lives doesn't revolve around football. College isn't about playing football, that is only an activity, college is about learning, getting a degree so that they can get jobs and pay off their student loans that they had to take out.

Penn State should be proud of themselves from dropping down from #3 in 2011 to #7 in 2012. Guess they will have to try harder in 2013 to get the their number back up.
Penn State was ranked 47 in the top 100 colleges for 2012, where Penn State was rated 47. Guess instead of the students going to class they were in their rooms fighting off their hangover.

I've been to games. There is a heavy amount of driniking going on. Penn State is well deserving of it's reputation. Of course ALL the students aren't drinking. And you know that by inserting the word ALL. Using of that one word or course forces the statement to be false and slants your own arguement.

Well, Sue T. I didn't make the initial assertion. LC did at the beginning of this thread. You know the one with blanket condemnation of ALL current students getting drunk every Saturday.

If you think the systemic problem of excessive drinking, alcohol poisoning, etc., is unique to Penn State, you are naive.

All students being drunk on Saturday isn't my argument.

I have attended 3 Big 10 schools. I know there is drinking on every campus. I also know it is much worse at some schools then others. And I also know that Penn State is deserving of it's reputation.

The question is, Sue, do you believe all current students get drunk every Saturday? Simple yes or no.

No where have I stated ALL get drunk on Saturday afternoon. I do believe that the majority that attend the football games on Saturday afternoon do get drunk, based on mly personal observations in the stadium.

Well, Sue. Who said that there is NOT a lot of drinking on campus? I never contended that. I mean is that why you posted Princeton's top party schools?

Someone needs to say "Sorry, that's incorrect" when others state all the students are drunks, instead of the deafening silence.

Are you really arguing about the use of the word "all"??? Does 'hell of a lot' work better for you? Because I have been to Creepy Valley a few times and there is a 'hell of a lot' of underage drinking going on just like at major universities. Way to focus on the real issue @Parent of 2012 Grad. No wonder you are in such denial. Having to pay off those student loans for a school whose greatest legacy is a covering up the crimes of Jerry Sandusky for at least 14 years.

@THMP

Why quibble over a qualifier?

Let’s see if I can help you understand through a simple story, THMP. Since you favor the word creepy, we’ll use a story about Creepy, Inc.

THMP works for Creepy, Inc. The President of Creepy, Inc. beats his wife and kids every night. Upper management knows and is complicit. Need punished.

Did you know all Creepy employees are drunks? (See the logical connection between wife/child abuse and drunk employees, THMP?)

THMP works for Creepy, Inc.

Therefore, THMP is a Creepy drunk.

But hey, why quibble over a modifier?

THMP said “No wonder you are in such denial. Having to pay off those student loans for a school whose greatest legacy is a covering up the crimes of Jerry Sandusky for at least 14 years.” No support – irrelevant bloviating.

@Pgh resident - Feel free to quibble if it helps you forget about the real issues. Hey, in your story you didn't mention whether this THMP guy happened to frequent football games at Creepy Valley. Sounds like the type. Speaking of irrelevant bliovating, your post on July 24th at 9:38 says "I am outraged by the hatred toward PSU and I wonder what stems behind it, were you not able to get into PSU...?" So what exactly do you think the NCAA should have done? Try to use little words because not ALL of us were able to get into PSU.

pgh resident, they will be on the field every Saturday playing football they just aren't allowed to play preseason games and in bowls. So you will have your football games to either watch on tv or the option to go to the games if you choose.

@Tony ..We Are .....Penn State
@Outraged...sorry but had to go there too...lol

@pgh resident – Be at peace my friend, you never need apologize to me.

I dare say that Penn State students who cry on TV about a statue being removed and whine about their football program deserve all of the criticism they get (Uh oh- I used the word 'all'. I hope the grammar police don't get me). I genuinely hope Penn State supporters follow Erikson's lead, take the high road and rebuild the school to true greatness.

yes it is the ones that are crying for obamacare are the ones that are boohooing on here also about how unfair the NCAA was to Penn State Football team. Thanks for pointing it out.

First Sue, the principal administrators involved in the scandal did turn Sandusky in 14 years ago and the DA declined to press charges after an investigation. That's not to excuse what was either a cover up or a series of terribly disastrous and tragic decisions following the 2001 incident. But it certainly makes your argument look a bit foolish.
As for the money --do you know even where that football revenue goes? To fund scholarships for "non-revenue" sports like tennis, fencing, volleyball, and every other sport in the NCAA with maybe the exception of basketball. Every single dime of it. Penn State doesn't even allow that money to leave the athletic department. And Penn State is one of four or five schools in the country that doesn't use student's tuition dollars to fund athletics. College athletics does not generate profit. Period. So if you're so concerned about money in college sports, you should be more concerned with schools like Pitt and Temple and just about every other school that charge their students tuition or fees to run an athletics department. Or even worse schools that make enough money from football to fund their programs but still charge students fees for athletics.
Penn State -- as a whole -- has done everything right in terms of putting academics before athletics and using tuition for education only. But you're going to indict an entire university for the actions of a handful of people. I just don't think that's right.

Well said Dan.

Interesting Dantheman that you are only worried about money that could be lost because of the NCAA sanctions. That isn't the money I was referring to in my comment above. I was talking about the motivation for the original coverup (and yes there was a coverup no matter how many times you deline it). The motivation was the money that would be lost if some how the Sandusky abuse of innocent children became public. So Joe and others and the University continued to cover it up. Even after Sandusky was no longer employed at PSU, he was given access to the athletic faclities bringing in these children. Why? Joe knew what was going on. So, are you trying to tell me DANTHEMAN that the scholarships etc. override what happened to this children??

Just for some further enlightenment, Dblock. PSU was the top producing school of Fulbright Scholars 2011-2012 The Huffington Post 10/28/11 " Penn State absolutely crushed the rest of the pack with 14 scholars to its name."

You may want to google if you're unsure about what exactly that means. Don't want to be accused of you know, the whole kool-aid thing. Not trying to be superior, just stating fact.

Sounds like you didn't get accepted into PSU.

I know your reply will be oh I didn't want to go there. I'm glad I didn't. I wouldn't want to be there now.... hehehehe. We know u just didn't make the cut its ok there's always ccac.

B smith, I already addressed your comments because I knew they were coming.

Why is it that PSU people think that if you didn't go there, it MUST mean it's because you couldn't get in? You're in such denial, you can't even fathom that someone would pick one of the THOUSANDS of other colleges in the country. Nope, everyone wants to go to PSU, it's just when we get denied that we settle for all the others.

Parent of 2012 grad, you provide one data point, congratulations. By that logic, Penn State crushes Harvard because this one time, they had better numbers in a single category. You should probably petition the Ivy League for acceptance, I'm positive they'd agree with you based on the comprehensive data you provide.

Hehe D
I didn't go there either didn't apply either. Could have but they didn't have Mt major there. Went to school in new England area.

Sorry, Dblock, that you took the leap that I have to justify Penn State to you. I was just denoting one SUBSTANTIATED data point to see if you would note what was missing in your references. You know, that nagging research/due diligence process. You know, when your HS teacher marked in big red letters on your term paper "SUPPORT????!!!!!" and you got an "F".

Because I have a bit of time to waste, a cursory google indicates Penn Sate University Park are:

Middle 50% SAT scores 1750-1990
High School GPA 3.52-3.97
(http://admissions.psu.edu/academics/majors/requirements/50percent/)

that the Eberly School of Science BS/MBA program requires a 1950 SAT score, ranking of 10% of class.
(http://science.psu.edu/bsmba/admissions-information)

Label me as HYPS wannabe. Enjoy yourself with simple amusements. It made me smile. You may want to try that google thing yourself.

Hey, just wanted to added some fair and balanced points. Isn't that the other half of the kool aid mantra/ideology?

Dblock, you win for having the most insensitve comment of all. I'm sure your check to help child abuse programs is already in the mail. But I bet you do nothing for charity. To wish the THON doesnt do well is shamefull. You act so superior when you are just small minded with a complex to be right. We wouldn't want your KID!

Oh I would never WISH for something like THON to be unsuccessful, just stating that it will look funny (ie peculiar) when the string of record-breaking years is snapped in a dramatic fashion. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but if you take away football as they know it at that school, many many things will suffer. All that "Penn State Pride" was so clearly based on football and not the school itself or any of the charities and programs it supported.

As I said, I could very well be proven wrong, and it's wonderful if I am, but somehow I doubt it. Will be very interesting to see where the school stands in five years. If O'Brien sticks around, people still support the team (singular, because apparently other sports don't matter there, and things like THON continue to be successful, I'll have the utmost respect....but I know enough PSU alums to know where the priorities truly lie.

FULBRIGHT SPECIALIST PROGRAM
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So true. Just wait til Spanier, Curley, Shultz start turning on each other and Paterno.

you cant say it can you? Joe Pa was aware of a child rapist and did nothing. In fact, he did worse than nothing. He covered for him. Out of all the players, he was the one who was powerful enough to stop it. But worse, he enabled it. He padded his record anyway and did nothing in the big 10. I could coach the team better than he did the last 10-12 years. But notice how thats all you care about? My congratulations to Bobby Bowden.

b its not a matter of them finding an innocent dead scapegoat to take the fall; the EVIDENCE shows he was complicit in this. He's lucky he's dead, or he'd probably be in handcuffs by now. Thats what you and the other Paterno supporters seem to be in denial about.

Go read the grand jury investigation on what joe said and didn't say. It might wake you up http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

@pgh resident--I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I just said I went through this at my college several yrs ago. Read my post. We we sanctioned for two yrs back in the '80s. Yet, we still sold out the football stadium every weekend. And the exact words in my post were:

" went to a school that was also santioned for two years. No bowl games, and no rankings in the NCAA and Big 10. You know what, they still filled the football stadium every weekend. If Penn State is the fantastic University the supporters here think it is, this really is not going to have a major impact on the University. I'd suggest that you get together with family and friends and send positive support to the University. PSU has already said they aren't going to fight this, so why fit it here."

So why am I so wrong to encourage you to support your University??

@Rlynn - The mother of victim #1 was the one that reported Sandusky to the police. If it wasn't for her, Sandusky may still be abusing young boys. The fact is that the Penn State administration covered the scandal up, not once but twice that we are aware of. It makes me wonder what else they were capable of covering up if they thought this was acceptable.

I also totaly disagree that the parents are "just as culpable as Joe Pa and the gang". Most of the parents were single mothers that had their sons in the Second Mile to have a male role model in their lives. That was the purpose of the charity. Unfortunately the program was run by a monster.

In regard to the students, I don't think that anyone is blaming the students for anything having to do with the child abuse. No one thinks that they should be lumped in with Sandusky. That said, the students are adults and NOT victims! They are students at college whose adminstration covered up a terrible crime. This adminstration includes Joe Paterno. He knew what happened and chose to do nothing. People need to think about this and stop defending him.

a. Im calling you a liar. You werent an abused child. b. if Joepa would have followup and followed thru like he claimed to, the problem would have been resolved in 2002.
Then we would have reserved our hate for sandusky. instead joepa covered up, discouraged, and encouraged sandusky. thats why we all hate him and RIGHTFULLY hold him accountable too.

That is why they call it a cover up. Who said it is over yet? Last time Penn State won a game, the Spice Girls had a hit song and Mike McQueary was quarterback.

You are so right...Plax shooting himself is pretty much the same thing as raping children. Thanks for sharing your wisdom.

Penn State chose to join the NCAA and follow their guidelines. NCAA has to act and it was more than fair punishment for such blatant "lack of institutional control." This is by far the worst scandal in sports history.

thmp totally agree with you. No one held a gun to their head and made them join.

The entire population of Penn State isn't being held accountable. They are still going to have teachers and students are going to be taught. They will still have students graduating each semester. They can play football every Saturday except for Bowl games. So the whole school isn't being held accountable. Taking away PaJo's wins because he didn't report this to the police won't take away from a students education either. Out of the thousands of students that goes to Penn State, they will all get a good college education. even the football team.

@pgh resident -
Read what thmp actually wrote. I agree with thmp completely. Penn State students who CRY and WHINE about Paterno and the football program do deserve criticism. The students are NOT victims and they need to wake up and realize what the PSU administration allowed to happen. You just don't get it!

Because of the actions of a few, many people will be punished. That is life and life is not always fair! Although, in my opinion, the punishment in this case was more than fair. In fact I thought that PSU got off easy for what the administration covered up. They could have easily gotten a four year death penalty for football! The we really would have heard the crying and whining!

If anything this should serve as a good life lesson to the young PSU students. Your actions (right or wrong) will affect others (intentionally or unintentionally). Wake up and get on the right side of this thing. It's football not a child's life!

I agree with thmp also, the students are not being penalized for Penn State and the cover up they did over all these years Students aren't victims as some say they are, the ones that were molested are the victims that Penn State and PaJoe could of stopped.

You have a big problem then, because there are many people that think the way that I do.
So now I’m abusing PSU students??? I don’t think so. Emotional toll? Give me a break! You act like the students were the ones picking up the soap for Sandusky! The PSU students are adults right? They are big boys and girls that should be able to handle the “emotions” of this scandal. They will still get a good college education, which by the way is the reason for going to college, not football.
Again this whole situation should serve as a life lesson for the Penn State students and others of the dangers of worshiping a football program. No one could believe that Joe Pa would cover something up like this but he did. Saint Joe was mortal and made a terrible mistake that resulted in the wrath that is happening at Penn State today. The football program at Penn State was corrupt and was rightfully punished.
The whole thing is a tragedy and I only hope that some good can come from it. Perhaps the $60 million will help to prevent some children from being abused. At the very least, the whole scandal at Penn State can serve as an example of how not to run a college football program.

bw have to agree with you, there is no emotional toll to the students of PSU and they are not children but Adults. They can still go to classes every day, learn, graduate. Those victims are the ones that were molested that have to live with this the rest of their life. I don't see the young adults that are students of Penn State nor their mighty football team waking up from nightmares because Joe's statue was removed and they took away the might Joe's wins. Like someone said boo hooo hooo, if the Mighty Joe was a decent person when he was told about the child being molested in the shower he should of picked up the phone and called the Police and CYS and say "I think you need to know that Jerry Sandusky was in a shower with a young child having sex and I want to make a report." No he called McQueary and told him instead. This was the start of PSU cover-up and when it did hit the fan and Joe and a few others were fired this was the start of the boohooing about the Mighty Joe being fired. Then when they took his statue down there was more boohooing because it wasn't fair (YES it was) and the penalities that came from the NCAA were harsh but they deserve what they got. PSU will survive, students still will go there, alumni will still donate money. Students aren't suffering, but the children that were molested are.

@Isabella. Thank you! Exactly right!

Isabella, PAJoe is a joke anymore and laugh at the ones that still hold him as a god. I so agree with what you write. They are lucky in the fines they got, would of been worse if they couldn't play football for 4 years.

Isabella told the truth, can't you deal with it Johnny.

JustMe, from one friend to another, did you see what you wrote regarding calling CYS? You might want to redo that third sentence. Talk about a Freudian slip.

Isabella thank you, what I meant to say is that if you know someone that is abusing a child, physically, mentally emotionally or sexually, please report them to CYS. Penn State Administration and Paterno should of reported it to CYS or the Police, then all those children after that shower incident could of been saved. They didn't even have to leave their names when they called CYS but it should of been reported. The students of Penn State football team isn't being punished. The Administration of Penn State and all those that covered it up is being punished. The President of the University also said that he would agree with what came out of the FBI's report and it isn't much different than what came out in the Grand Jury investigation.
I spent the day with my grandma and her favorite saying is Nip it in the butt" as meaning "fixing the problem", not sure if any of you heard the saying before.
meaning
nip it in the butt -Bastardization of the phrase "nip it in the bud," which in turn means to stop something from happening by squelching it early on.

Penn State Administration and Joe gave Sandusky the green light to molest children when they didn't report him to either the Police or CYS. They are no better than Sandusky and the NCAA punished them for not acting on what was happening. The Grand Jury Report and the Feesh Report both come out and state the facts. The NCAA also said that more fines and penalties will come as their cases come up in court. Penn State President agreed to go off the Feesh Report and signed off on it. So NCAA punished them how they deemed fit. The students of Penn State were not punished, Penn State University as a whole was punished for a cover-up that should of been reported years ago.

Hey just as a reminder, can we keep this forum civil, please?